Great article but the focus on vaccine caused myocarditis vs infection caused myocarditis is not particularly relevant anymore as vaccinated people are getting infected at equal or higher rates than unvaccinated. If vaccination prevented infection, then the head to head comparison makes sense. But now it’s cumulative: you’re taking the risk of the vaccine induced myocarditis on top of the infection induced. It would also be worthwhile to look at rates of myocarditis after infection for unvaccinated vs vaccinated. And for what it’s worth, Alphonso Davies, as a three-time vaccinated, naturally recovered young male is an interesting case study.
I see your point but the incidence of myocarditis after 2 doses of the vaccine is probably the lowest of all because the vaccine protects you from severe symptoms caused by the virus such as myocarditis. An effort to understand what's causing vaccine related myocarditis is needed to determine if non correct administration is its cause. In the meantime caution might be the best solution.
I take the point, but do we know that the vaccines protect from myocarditis specifically? They certainly protect from some of the other aspects that can make Covid severe, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the risk of myocarditis is cumulative every time you get a dose of spike protein (whether from the vaccine or the real virus). That seems to be the case and would explain why dose 2 creates more problems than dose 1. Just speculating.
In Quebec, the vaccine passport will include a mandatory 3rd dose by the summer. The passport will, in a few days, include hardware stores, which were once considered "essential" at the beginning of the pandemic. And there will be a mandatory "significant" tax for the unvaccinated to pay, probably next year, in 2023. What the fuck is going on, if you can pardon my language? 90% of the population is vaccinated already. This Omicron wave we are having now, the vast majority of COVID deaths are happening at home, not in long-term care, not in the hospital. That's weird. Is the same happening in British Columbia?
The authoritarianism in Quebec, which is the only province to enact curfews, appears to be the worst in Canada. Could this possibly have been contributed to by the importation of the legal traditions of France, another jurisdiction that has demonstrated shocking repressions during the pandemic? Unlike the rest of the country which uses the English common-law system, which is considered to place a greater emphasis on individual civil liberties, Quebec uses a code-based legal system derived from France.
That brings the total to 3 young people, I personally know, who have been diagnosed with myocarditis/pericarditis after the vaccine. My circle of friends/family is not big enough for that to be statistically insignificant.
"Many in the media and medical establishment rightfully promote vaccination to prevent serious illness or death...."
I'd argue the Canadian Ontario data showing hospitalization of vaxies have blown from 25% to 75%, and ICU from 20% to 55% in the last 2-3 weeks.
If you are interested you could look into the Scotland government report - showing vaxies have become worse off (more prone) to catching, spreading, severe illness & death across the board. They had pretty looking stats before December 2021.
Best myocarditis hypothesis I've read goes like this: Peoples' anatomies vary slightly. Covid injections must be intramuscular, but a small percentage perforate a blood vessel near the deltoid. Blood vessels in young, lean, muscular males are largeish and close to the surface, so the percentage of inadvertent intravenous injections skews towards this cohort.
This could be avoided by the best practice of aspirating the injection to verify that a blood vessel wasn't hit. Alas, the injections are typically administered production-line style by untrained techs who are instructed to not aspirate.
This rhymes with most covid suppression tactics -- incompetence mixed with malice in equal measure. It should be clear by now that we're not going to vaccinate ourselves out of this, and that on balance, we're doing more harm than good; both on an individual level and population-wide. We're running out of immunologically naive people and risk entering into an infinite recursion of vaccinate/escape. I won't let my teenage son to be vaccinated, needless to say.
It's a good theory, and it's why I got the J&J when I was forced to vaccinate (or lose my job), but I'd love to know how the 2nd dose causing higher rates of myocarditis fits.
Excellent piece. An area I am concerned is those same young male at risk group, who got covid, and are now on the vaccine doses. As many colleges are forcing kids that have natural immunity into three shots.
My son is in that category. He is a college freshman at a US university requiring a booster of all students, regardless of whether they have natural immunity and despite the risks of vaccine injury. My pleas to the administration have fallen on deaf ears.
A big part of the fallacious "fact-checking" of Joe Rogan's foray into the myocarditis from vaccine versus infection discussion is that comparing infection-caused myocarditis rates with vaccine-caused myocarditis rates is apples to oranges because not getting vaccinated does not ensure that a person does not get infected, nor does not getting vaccinated ensure that they do get infected. But getting vaccinated 100% ensures that the person will experience the risk of mycarditis from vaccination. So the right "apples to apples" comparison would be a population-level analysis between myocarditis cases among the "never vaccinated" and mycarditis cases among everyone else, broken down of course by demographics. I've never seen that study.
Well said. I've been struggling to figure out how they calculate these rates. I'm unvaxxed and was thoroughly exposed to COVID when my wife got it, but experienced no symptoms at all so didn't bother getting tested. If COVID complication rates are defined as "per infection," I wouldn't be included in the denominator, but the more meaningful metric to compare to the vaccines would be "per exposure." Are there any studies attempting to estimate myocarditis risk on that basis?
I see no reason to be worried about long-term COVID complications for myself when the virus didn't even make me sick. I would have to be confident that my risk from the vaccine is *zero* in order to get jabbed.
Congratulations on the article. It's like in Andersen's folktale "The Emperor's New Clothes". Someone has to come and say: Hey, the Emperor is wearing nothing at all, people are being fooled.
Exceptional well balanced thanks you. Take away is 15 to 24 should understand risk of vaccine higher than infection from Covid infection. What about 0-14, I am deeply concerned about mounting pressure to vaccinate my 8year old twins who are healthy.
This is f'ing fantastic, Rav. Well done. However, it's not clear to me why you didn't refer to the December 5, 2021 preprint study from Ontario (reviewed by Vinay Prassad here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzVoS-1TIWI&t=38s&ab_channel=VinayPrasadMDMPH ), which indicated the rate of myocarditis can be as high as *777* per million in men 18-24 who receive two vaccine doses, significantly higher than the 1 in 2000 (or 500 per million per Clinton Condon's comment) referred to in the study by Katie Scharff you mentioned. Also, re the graph you included from the Nature Medicine article, if you include graphs from other publications that do not adequately label the x and y axes (no units for the y and no labels re brand, e.g., Moderna, for the x), may I suggest you provide that information in your article?
"We estimated extra myocarditis events to be between 1 and 10 per million persons in the month following vaccination, which was substantially lower than the 40 extra events per million persons observed following SARS-CoV-2 infection."
"Whilst myocarditis can be life-threatening, most vaccine-associated myocarditis events have been mild and self-limiting. The risk observed here is small and confined to the 7-day period following vaccination, whereas the lifetime risk of morbidity and mortality following SARS-CoV-2 infection is substantial. Indeed, myocardial injury is very common in persons admitted to hospital with SARS-CoV-2 infection."
Great article but the focus on vaccine caused myocarditis vs infection caused myocarditis is not particularly relevant anymore as vaccinated people are getting infected at equal or higher rates than unvaccinated. If vaccination prevented infection, then the head to head comparison makes sense. But now it’s cumulative: you’re taking the risk of the vaccine induced myocarditis on top of the infection induced. It would also be worthwhile to look at rates of myocarditis after infection for unvaccinated vs vaccinated. And for what it’s worth, Alphonso Davies, as a three-time vaccinated, naturally recovered young male is an interesting case study.
I see your point but the incidence of myocarditis after 2 doses of the vaccine is probably the lowest of all because the vaccine protects you from severe symptoms caused by the virus such as myocarditis. An effort to understand what's causing vaccine related myocarditis is needed to determine if non correct administration is its cause. In the meantime caution might be the best solution.
I take the point, but do we know that the vaccines protect from myocarditis specifically? They certainly protect from some of the other aspects that can make Covid severe, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the risk of myocarditis is cumulative every time you get a dose of spike protein (whether from the vaccine or the real virus). That seems to be the case and would explain why dose 2 creates more problems than dose 1. Just speculating.
Great points
In Quebec, the vaccine passport will include a mandatory 3rd dose by the summer. The passport will, in a few days, include hardware stores, which were once considered "essential" at the beginning of the pandemic. And there will be a mandatory "significant" tax for the unvaccinated to pay, probably next year, in 2023. What the fuck is going on, if you can pardon my language? 90% of the population is vaccinated already. This Omicron wave we are having now, the vast majority of COVID deaths are happening at home, not in long-term care, not in the hospital. That's weird. Is the same happening in British Columbia?
The authoritarianism in Quebec, which is the only province to enact curfews, appears to be the worst in Canada. Could this possibly have been contributed to by the importation of the legal traditions of France, another jurisdiction that has demonstrated shocking repressions during the pandemic? Unlike the rest of the country which uses the English common-law system, which is considered to place a greater emphasis on individual civil liberties, Quebec uses a code-based legal system derived from France.
If this keeps up it's going to be an interesting Saint-Jean-Baptiste Day this year.
NAZIism in Queerbec will only work because people are too chicken to fight back.
There's going be self employment opportunities opening up for vaxed gofers.
That brings the total to 3 young people, I personally know, who have been diagnosed with myocarditis/pericarditis after the vaccine. My circle of friends/family is not big enough for that to be statistically insignificant.
safe and effective!!!!
"Many in the media and medical establishment rightfully promote vaccination to prevent serious illness or death...."
I'd argue the Canadian Ontario data showing hospitalization of vaxies have blown from 25% to 75%, and ICU from 20% to 55% in the last 2-3 weeks.
If you are interested you could look into the Scotland government report - showing vaxies have become worse off (more prone) to catching, spreading, severe illness & death across the board. They had pretty looking stats before December 2021.
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data?fbclid=IwAR26nYBNjDrvooWNKDr3ifWVAcENjFrlEykSMAVbZu0x4ODIQ2Mz6Zs8D0w
https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/11089/22-01-12-covid19-winter_publication_report.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2adisFI6xkeN_6nrYfdCufgtPo2B_Tj0hGyo1PRO3SZmUftoPnxQW7USI
When will the WEF show us their giant "lasers"
Best myocarditis hypothesis I've read goes like this: Peoples' anatomies vary slightly. Covid injections must be intramuscular, but a small percentage perforate a blood vessel near the deltoid. Blood vessels in young, lean, muscular males are largeish and close to the surface, so the percentage of inadvertent intravenous injections skews towards this cohort.
This could be avoided by the best practice of aspirating the injection to verify that a blood vessel wasn't hit. Alas, the injections are typically administered production-line style by untrained techs who are instructed to not aspirate.
This rhymes with most covid suppression tactics -- incompetence mixed with malice in equal measure. It should be clear by now that we're not going to vaccinate ourselves out of this, and that on balance, we're doing more harm than good; both on an individual level and population-wide. We're running out of immunologically naive people and risk entering into an infinite recursion of vaccinate/escape. I won't let my teenage son to be vaccinated, needless to say.
Theory as of yet. Hoffe's D-dimer tests show 62% of mRNA vaxxed have microscopic clotting. https://wellbeingaotearoa.wordpress.com/2021/07/12/d-dimer-tests-show-at-least-62-percent-of-mrna-vaccinated-patients-have-microscopic-blood-clots-reports-dr-charles-hoffe-m-d/
Certainly 62% weren't failure to aspirate. It"s possible it's a ticking time bomb for others. Given the passive reporting system, we don't know.
"This rhymes with most covid suppression tactics -- incompetence mixed with malice in equal measure."
Proportions may vary.
It's a good theory, and it's why I got the J&J when I was forced to vaccinate (or lose my job), but I'd love to know how the 2nd dose causing higher rates of myocarditis fits.
Excellent piece. An area I am concerned is those same young male at risk group, who got covid, and are now on the vaccine doses. As many colleges are forcing kids that have natural immunity into three shots.
My son is in that category. He is a college freshman at a US university requiring a booster of all students, regardless of whether they have natural immunity and despite the risks of vaccine injury. My pleas to the administration have fallen on deaf ears.
I am in the exact same fight, college forced 3rd shot, even after having it and against the advice of his doctor in writing.
I understand the dilemma. Is life and health worth the risk?. The whole system needs a change. Education is the first stronghold we must overturn.
All those bureaucrats of universities and sports associations, whom force young people to get vaccinated, have civil and criminal responsability.
A big part of the fallacious "fact-checking" of Joe Rogan's foray into the myocarditis from vaccine versus infection discussion is that comparing infection-caused myocarditis rates with vaccine-caused myocarditis rates is apples to oranges because not getting vaccinated does not ensure that a person does not get infected, nor does not getting vaccinated ensure that they do get infected. But getting vaccinated 100% ensures that the person will experience the risk of mycarditis from vaccination. So the right "apples to apples" comparison would be a population-level analysis between myocarditis cases among the "never vaccinated" and mycarditis cases among everyone else, broken down of course by demographics. I've never seen that study.
Well said. I've been struggling to figure out how they calculate these rates. I'm unvaxxed and was thoroughly exposed to COVID when my wife got it, but experienced no symptoms at all so didn't bother getting tested. If COVID complication rates are defined as "per infection," I wouldn't be included in the denominator, but the more meaningful metric to compare to the vaccines would be "per exposure." Are there any studies attempting to estimate myocarditis risk on that basis?
I see no reason to be worried about long-term COVID complications for myself when the virus didn't even make me sick. I would have to be confident that my risk from the vaccine is *zero* in order to get jabbed.
Difficult to calculate but yeah, this is the analysis I'd like to see.
Apparently, it's not an oversight that we haven't seen those data, it's deliberate: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/health/covid-cdc-data.html
Agree.
Congratulations on the article. It's like in Andersen's folktale "The Emperor's New Clothes". Someone has to come and say: Hey, the Emperor is wearing nothing at all, people are being fooled.
Exceptional well balanced thanks you. Take away is 15 to 24 should understand risk of vaccine higher than infection from Covid infection. What about 0-14, I am deeply concerned about mounting pressure to vaccinate my 8year old twins who are healthy.
Resist at all costs. The data showing bad things happening is becoming louder and louder.
Covid is FAKE. Please provide a study where the fake virus has been physically isolated. The VAXX bio weapons are of course real.
You are doing very important work. Please keep going.
This is f'ing fantastic, Rav. Well done. However, it's not clear to me why you didn't refer to the December 5, 2021 preprint study from Ontario (reviewed by Vinay Prassad here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzVoS-1TIWI&t=38s&ab_channel=VinayPrasadMDMPH ), which indicated the rate of myocarditis can be as high as *777* per million in men 18-24 who receive two vaccine doses, significantly higher than the 1 in 2000 (or 500 per million per Clinton Condon's comment) referred to in the study by Katie Scharff you mentioned. Also, re the graph you included from the Nature Medicine article, if you include graphs from other publications that do not adequately label the x and y axes (no units for the y and no labels re brand, e.g., Moderna, for the x), may I suggest you provide that information in your article?
Great article. Completely agree with your conclusions. Just a minor note—1 in 2000 amounts to 500 per 1 million.
You're correct. I was basing 200/million based on the estimate of 1/5,000 - which I now think is not right.
a few private schools in America with 250-300 students have saw 4-5 case in each school.
Couldn't tell you which ones i just remember reading about it a few months ago.
Steve kirsch wrote about one school in California
From the Oxford study you site:
"We estimated extra myocarditis events to be between 1 and 10 per million persons in the month following vaccination, which was substantially lower than the 40 extra events per million persons observed following SARS-CoV-2 infection."
"Whilst myocarditis can be life-threatening, most vaccine-associated myocarditis events have been mild and self-limiting. The risk observed here is small and confined to the 7-day period following vaccination, whereas the lifetime risk of morbidity and mortality following SARS-CoV-2 infection is substantial. Indeed, myocardial injury is very common in persons admitted to hospital with SARS-CoV-2 infection."
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