Is it fate (or just other bad people or circumstances) or unexamined, unhealed wounds in your psyche leading you to the same place over and over again?
Fate is at the heart of nearly every religion that has ever been except Judaism and Christianity.
The concept of fate is as polar opposite to the Gospel is CHRIST as it could be.
Take note: I am not suggesting it is polar opposite to the teachings of all denominations.
Despite all claims to the contrary there are denominations from cath to calvinist that accept tenets of 'fate' though they would never call it that nor admit to it.
Years ago I heard a story from a missionary in Africa. The women from a village was snatched from among her friends by a crock. The village mourned, wailed, and wept. The next morning the women were back at the river doing as they have always done.
The missionary was flabbergasted and asked the elders "How could they allow the women to go back there?" It was all laid off to fate.
No efforts to have men with weapons posted. Not efforts to fence and area keeping crocks away...nothing. There is not stopping fate ya know!
The concept of fate enslaves and kills.
I heard the story of a group of American men working their tails off to make a boat in the UK somewhere. The boat suffered a catastrophic failure at launch and sank. The Americans
Immediately set about to start over. They had the Americans come to a pub and they talked of the event. They said, (paraphrased) "Ya see, that's the difference between you Yanks and us. If that happened to us we'd just pack it in and go get drunk."We tried, we failed, go do something else". Over there they say, "It the hope that will kill ya."
In the Dune series there is a line saying "Fear is the great mind killer."
Fate engenders fear and even when it does not manifest as fear it is a killer.
It kills resolve, motivation, hopes, dreams, work ethic, etc, etc, etc.
The single simple and indisputable reason that it is, and has always been, the most Bible centered nations that outperform the rest is that the principles in that book destroy the lie of fate.
The nations that are the most backward and malicious are those that have fate at the center of their beliefs.
"Fate is at the heart of nearly every religion that has ever been except Judaism and Christianity" _ i'm going to presume that is based on a superficial understanding of other religions and not on deep dives. The English word "fate" may be used but the deeper meanings and connotations may be different.
FATE: The development of events beyond a person's control, regarded as determined by a power. "fate decided his course for him"
verb: be destined to happen, turn out, or act in a particular way.
Actually I have studied all other major religions and the concept of what we call fate is solidly at their center HOWEVER they do not admit this. Most humans are at least somewhat reticent to say they have no control. Most religions couch the fate concept in layers of drivel you must work through to find.
In Hinduism, for example, they have several levels of ‘karma’. You can they say, change your karma by your actions today HOWEVER, all of those imaginary past lives have a completely immeasurable effect that puts you back at the place of being subject to whatever happens.
At the heart if Shintoism is “destiny”. Nuff said.
In Islam it is the ubiquitous phrase ‘inshallah’. If a suicide bomber kills his own squad by accident they say “inshallah. The formal meaning in “if god wills it” but they also use it to mean, “well, god must have wanted it that way”.
This is their built in justification to do whatever they want regardless of who is affected.
To see the reality of ‘fate’ in other cultures and religions one must look at their actions and behaviors and not be distracted by their verbiage. To the degree that they allow themselves to be dominated by circumstances they have submitted to the lie of fate.
This is why I have always taught that false religions are more insidious than satanism. satanism is certainly perverse and evil but at least they teach free will….as they seduce you into spiritual bondage! Ah well….
😊 Mine was but a simple query wondering if your views came from a great deal of study. In a way, you’ve answered albeit indirectly as much as you have revealed your biases. Ah well....
Pretty sure he demonstrated a far greater breadth and depth of knowledge than you're able to respond intelligently to. Why not just take the L and move on? You really think anybody is fooled by “ah well…”?
Thanks for your view, but I didn't see anything to respond to in any fashion. I wondered about something, I got my answer and more than that, so it's all good. Sorry, perhaps you're right, my intelligence is way behind yours. I have no idea what "the L" means. I thought his "ah well" was rather clever so I was copying. My bad I guess. Sorry again.
Have you ever heard of PSYCH-K? it is a process that allows you and Spirit (God, Source, whatever you personally know has your best and highest good for you) to be in contact with your subconscious to find the subconscious beliefs you have and change them to better beliefs. It can be used also to receive messages from your body with the idea being that disease, symptoms etc is your subconscious trying to tell you something. I have used this to treat my 25 year stomach pain, build a home, run for elected office with confidence. Your post about unconscious work made me think you would enjoy PSYCH-K. Bruce Lipton talks about it in the most mainstream of places and is best known. If you take a course, there is always at least 1 person who says they are there having found it as a result of Bruce. The best past, you are in total control. This is different than hypnosis. And when you rewrite a belief, it stays rewritten (unless you rewrite it again). So unlike tapping and some other energy psychology techniques, PSYCH-K is permanent and fast.
I really like this. Looking into it now, thanks. This sounds similar to Joe Dispenza's meditations and exercises about re-wiring your beliefs. Curious if it diverges at all from his work. Have you heard of him?
Yes I have heard of him. Your subconscious runs 95+% of your life. Change your beliefs (in your subconscious), change your life. And your subconscious is in touch with your best and highest good (God, Source, Universe, whatever you consider the Spiritual power of your world) at all times and you are not aware of this because, well, it's subconscious! And your subconscious works at quantum computing speed. When you rewrite a belief, it's rapid. A lot of the other methods occur at the conscious level, only running 5% if your life, so not effective. Plus conscious level work is super slow. And it's not guaranteed. Try a mantra for 21 days and see if it works. Use PSYCH-K and reprogram your subconscious beliefs. A lot of the other energy psychology processes are too much work, not a lot of permanent "guarantees".
The idea is this beliefs and thoughts held in your subconscious>>>lead to perceptions (of the situation, the condition, of your life>>>lead to ACTIONS (conscious action, mantras, affirmations, medical intervention, reason, willpower)>>>and here it diverges.... If you work at the conscious level you get a lot of unintended/unwanted outcomes 80-90% of the time (because you are acting at the conscious level and the beliefs and thoughts that run 95% of your life aren't there, they are back at the beginning in your subconscious) OR diverge to 2 desired outcomes (which occur only 10-20% of the time when done at the ACTIONS level).
So the best way to end up with desired outcomes is to go to the source... At the subconscious level.
PSYCH-K helps you ask your subconscious the questions and find answers and reprogram to better beliefs.
I thankfully found the answer to my 25+ year stomach pain, it helped me build my own home, and helped me solve my back pain, it helped me resolve a 3 day racing heart that was massive stress response (I knew I was under existential threat to my core self and short of going to the hospital when my HR was 120 for 72 hours straight and no sleep for that entire time, I had a friend facilitate for me and my HR dropped to 70 once I received the guidance from Source).
I love knowing that I have this tool to help me find the true answers and it is within a connection of my core self to Source, via my subconscious.
I can't recall specifically. I think so. But with a lot of effort. PSYCH-K has protocols and checks and balances to make sure the changes you want to make are for the best and highest good of you. And it's "permanent" until/if you decide to modify the new belief. Things like tapping, hypnosis and Dispenza's stuff don't have this same self-driven (paired with Source) process. It's why I love ve it so much and found it so powerful. And I think life is hard enough. Why not use a simple, powerful and effective process. I don't want to have to tap for days and pray for days and ACTION a lot. I action all day long. My subconscious is way more powerful than any ACTION I could ever do. Like my stomach pain. I did colonoscopies, meds, remedies, heating pads, I did it all. Not great results. Asked if there was a message in my stomach pain (that my subconscious wanted me to know)? And I got the message and within 5 minutes, my stomach pain was gone. And it sounds like total BS. And it isn't! It 100% happened.
When you have a session facilitated, you take notes. But the more you use this process, the less likely you are to want the notes. Just like now, 95% of my life is running with my subconscious beliefs and thoughts and perceptions that I am not "aware" of because they are subconscious. But I have evidence of the new beliefs, like no stomach pain, better peace and calm, a new home that I built (because my partner and I for 7+ years fought about renovating a kitchen!). There are more than one processes to also find the beliefs. So some of those beliefs are the ones we probably all struggle with, like I forgive myself and others for all the wrong done to me or I know who I am and love myself unconditionally. These belief system in my view, is infinite. So I couldn't begin to recall all the changes I have made. I recall a few because the outcomes were so astounding and having had stomach pain for 25 years was no fun. I am grateful that is gone!
Thanks for the elaborate explanation. Powerful. Just wondering though if Joe Dispenza's methods go to the unconscious or subconscious layers...or just this method does. I imagine other modalities do as well...
@ravarora1 Interesting timing of this post. Are you familiar with Dr. Ronesh Sinha? He just posted a podcast episode and blogpost summary talking about prompting the machine to set you free. Check out the podcast ep and blogpost here:
If you've never heard of him, I definitely recommend checking out his book "The South Asian Health Solution: A Culturally Tailored Guide to Lose Fat, Increase Energy and Avoid Disease". You should try to get him on your podcast. I think you two would have a lot to talk about.
Many years ago, I read a book (yes, not a chatbot) ‘Telling Yourself the Truth’ by William Backus and Marie Chapian. Was so impressed, recommended to spouse, who took the book to a discussion group. The group elected to work through the book over weekly meetings. There was so much discussion that it took the group a year to satisfy all group members. Everyone got something from the book. One quite poignant story was from an older woman (think over age 75) who for years had prepared breakfast eggs for her husband only one way (think scrambled as an example), and had done so with deep resentment as that was not the style she preferred. During the group discussion she revealed she had never even expressed an opinion about not only the eggs, and was encouraged to start there. ‘I think I will make the eggs over-easy this morning’. Response from husband, ‘That will be fine, Dear.’ She was absolutely astounded, and the next discussions were quite enlightening.
So.... Earth is actually a simulation. We are here to evolve and station Earth is somewhat unique in that the game that is played here requires isolation, separation and amnesia..without those 3 components no one would want to play the game. I still don't want to play but play I must. This planet holds the shadow of benevolence and the shadow of malevolence for us to choose. Just theri shadows because if true benevolence were here the game ends and it can not exist in the presence of true malevolence and visa versa. So call it a shadow planet if you will.
While it is a game, it is a game with great responsibility. Disrespecting life is to choose poorly in this game. A game....with consequences....I point that out because so few of our fellow players believe in consequences and have tossed their moral compasses as well.
Fate is at the heart of nearly every religion that has ever been except Judaism and Christianity.
The concept of fate is as polar opposite to the Gospel is CHRIST as it could be.
Take note: I am not suggesting it is polar opposite to the teachings of all denominations.
Despite all claims to the contrary there are denominations from cath to calvinist that accept tenets of 'fate' though they would never call it that nor admit to it.
Years ago I heard a story from a missionary in Africa. The women from a village was snatched from among her friends by a crock. The village mourned, wailed, and wept. The next morning the women were back at the river doing as they have always done.
The missionary was flabbergasted and asked the elders "How could they allow the women to go back there?" It was all laid off to fate.
No efforts to have men with weapons posted. Not efforts to fence and area keeping crocks away...nothing. There is not stopping fate ya know!
The concept of fate enslaves and kills.
I heard the story of a group of American men working their tails off to make a boat in the UK somewhere. The boat suffered a catastrophic failure at launch and sank. The Americans
Immediately set about to start over. They had the Americans come to a pub and they talked of the event. They said, (paraphrased) "Ya see, that's the difference between you Yanks and us. If that happened to us we'd just pack it in and go get drunk."We tried, we failed, go do something else". Over there they say, "It the hope that will kill ya."
In the Dune series there is a line saying "Fear is the great mind killer."
Fate engenders fear and even when it does not manifest as fear it is a killer.
It kills resolve, motivation, hopes, dreams, work ethic, etc, etc, etc.
The single simple and indisputable reason that it is, and has always been, the most Bible centered nations that outperform the rest is that the principles in that book destroy the lie of fate.
The nations that are the most backward and malicious are those that have fate at the center of their beliefs.
Some powerful quotes in here, thanks. Just posted on Substack notes
"Fate is at the heart of nearly every religion that has ever been except Judaism and Christianity" _ i'm going to presume that is based on a superficial understanding of other religions and not on deep dives. The English word "fate" may be used but the deeper meanings and connotations may be different.
FATE: The development of events beyond a person's control, regarded as determined by a power. "fate decided his course for him"
verb: be destined to happen, turn out, or act in a particular way.
Actually I have studied all other major religions and the concept of what we call fate is solidly at their center HOWEVER they do not admit this. Most humans are at least somewhat reticent to say they have no control. Most religions couch the fate concept in layers of drivel you must work through to find.
In Hinduism, for example, they have several levels of ‘karma’. You can they say, change your karma by your actions today HOWEVER, all of those imaginary past lives have a completely immeasurable effect that puts you back at the place of being subject to whatever happens.
At the heart if Shintoism is “destiny”. Nuff said.
In Islam it is the ubiquitous phrase ‘inshallah’. If a suicide bomber kills his own squad by accident they say “inshallah. The formal meaning in “if god wills it” but they also use it to mean, “well, god must have wanted it that way”.
This is their built in justification to do whatever they want regardless of who is affected.
To see the reality of ‘fate’ in other cultures and religions one must look at their actions and behaviors and not be distracted by their verbiage. To the degree that they allow themselves to be dominated by circumstances they have submitted to the lie of fate.
This is why I have always taught that false religions are more insidious than satanism. satanism is certainly perverse and evil but at least they teach free will….as they seduce you into spiritual bondage! Ah well….
😊 Mine was but a simple query wondering if your views came from a great deal of study. In a way, you’ve answered albeit indirectly as much as you have revealed your biases. Ah well....
Pretty sure he demonstrated a far greater breadth and depth of knowledge than you're able to respond intelligently to. Why not just take the L and move on? You really think anybody is fooled by “ah well…”?
Thanks for your view, but I didn't see anything to respond to in any fashion. I wondered about something, I got my answer and more than that, so it's all good. Sorry, perhaps you're right, my intelligence is way behind yours. I have no idea what "the L" means. I thought his "ah well" was rather clever so I was copying. My bad I guess. Sorry again.
"Gospel *of* CHRIST.
Forgive me, I a very old two finger typist.
Have you looked into Cognitive Behavior Therapy? Used to it to get off the toxic mind meds.
I have. Probably the most popular form of therapy. Would like to explore it more. Mental re-framing is a good tool
Have you ever heard of PSYCH-K? it is a process that allows you and Spirit (God, Source, whatever you personally know has your best and highest good for you) to be in contact with your subconscious to find the subconscious beliefs you have and change them to better beliefs. It can be used also to receive messages from your body with the idea being that disease, symptoms etc is your subconscious trying to tell you something. I have used this to treat my 25 year stomach pain, build a home, run for elected office with confidence. Your post about unconscious work made me think you would enjoy PSYCH-K. Bruce Lipton talks about it in the most mainstream of places and is best known. If you take a course, there is always at least 1 person who says they are there having found it as a result of Bruce. The best past, you are in total control. This is different than hypnosis. And when you rewrite a belief, it stays rewritten (unless you rewrite it again). So unlike tapping and some other energy psychology techniques, PSYCH-K is permanent and fast.
I really like this. Looking into it now, thanks. This sounds similar to Joe Dispenza's meditations and exercises about re-wiring your beliefs. Curious if it diverges at all from his work. Have you heard of him?
Yes I have heard of him. Your subconscious runs 95+% of your life. Change your beliefs (in your subconscious), change your life. And your subconscious is in touch with your best and highest good (God, Source, Universe, whatever you consider the Spiritual power of your world) at all times and you are not aware of this because, well, it's subconscious! And your subconscious works at quantum computing speed. When you rewrite a belief, it's rapid. A lot of the other methods occur at the conscious level, only running 5% if your life, so not effective. Plus conscious level work is super slow. And it's not guaranteed. Try a mantra for 21 days and see if it works. Use PSYCH-K and reprogram your subconscious beliefs. A lot of the other energy psychology processes are too much work, not a lot of permanent "guarantees".
The idea is this beliefs and thoughts held in your subconscious>>>lead to perceptions (of the situation, the condition, of your life>>>lead to ACTIONS (conscious action, mantras, affirmations, medical intervention, reason, willpower)>>>and here it diverges.... If you work at the conscious level you get a lot of unintended/unwanted outcomes 80-90% of the time (because you are acting at the conscious level and the beliefs and thoughts that run 95% of your life aren't there, they are back at the beginning in your subconscious) OR diverge to 2 desired outcomes (which occur only 10-20% of the time when done at the ACTIONS level).
So the best way to end up with desired outcomes is to go to the source... At the subconscious level.
PSYCH-K helps you ask your subconscious the questions and find answers and reprogram to better beliefs.
I thankfully found the answer to my 25+ year stomach pain, it helped me build my own home, and helped me solve my back pain, it helped me resolve a 3 day racing heart that was massive stress response (I knew I was under existential threat to my core self and short of going to the hospital when my HR was 120 for 72 hours straight and no sleep for that entire time, I had a friend facilitate for me and my HR dropped to 70 once I received the guidance from Source).
I love knowing that I have this tool to help me find the true answers and it is within a connection of my core self to Source, via my subconscious.
I can't recall specifically. I think so. But with a lot of effort. PSYCH-K has protocols and checks and balances to make sure the changes you want to make are for the best and highest good of you. And it's "permanent" until/if you decide to modify the new belief. Things like tapping, hypnosis and Dispenza's stuff don't have this same self-driven (paired with Source) process. It's why I love ve it so much and found it so powerful. And I think life is hard enough. Why not use a simple, powerful and effective process. I don't want to have to tap for days and pray for days and ACTION a lot. I action all day long. My subconscious is way more powerful than any ACTION I could ever do. Like my stomach pain. I did colonoscopies, meds, remedies, heating pads, I did it all. Not great results. Asked if there was a message in my stomach pain (that my subconscious wanted me to know)? And I got the message and within 5 minutes, my stomach pain was gone. And it sounds like total BS. And it isn't! It 100% happened.
I'm super intrigued. What were your old inner beliefs and what did u replace them with?
When you have a session facilitated, you take notes. But the more you use this process, the less likely you are to want the notes. Just like now, 95% of my life is running with my subconscious beliefs and thoughts and perceptions that I am not "aware" of because they are subconscious. But I have evidence of the new beliefs, like no stomach pain, better peace and calm, a new home that I built (because my partner and I for 7+ years fought about renovating a kitchen!). There are more than one processes to also find the beliefs. So some of those beliefs are the ones we probably all struggle with, like I forgive myself and others for all the wrong done to me or I know who I am and love myself unconditionally. These belief system in my view, is infinite. So I couldn't begin to recall all the changes I have made. I recall a few because the outcomes were so astounding and having had stomach pain for 25 years was no fun. I am grateful that is gone!
Thanks for the elaborate explanation. Powerful. Just wondering though if Joe Dispenza's methods go to the unconscious or subconscious layers...or just this method does. I imagine other modalities do as well...
@ravarora1 Interesting timing of this post. Are you familiar with Dr. Ronesh Sinha? He just posted a podcast episode and blogpost summary talking about prompting the machine to set you free. Check out the podcast ep and blogpost here:
https://www.culturalhealthsolutions.com/prompting-the-machine-to-uncover-freedom/
If you've never heard of him, I definitely recommend checking out his book "The South Asian Health Solution: A Culturally Tailored Guide to Lose Fat, Increase Energy and Avoid Disease". You should try to get him on your podcast. I think you two would have a lot to talk about.
Thanks for this. WAYDE is a great tool looks like. Very insightful post by Dr. Ron who I wasn't familiar with before.
Many years ago, I read a book (yes, not a chatbot) ‘Telling Yourself the Truth’ by William Backus and Marie Chapian. Was so impressed, recommended to spouse, who took the book to a discussion group. The group elected to work through the book over weekly meetings. There was so much discussion that it took the group a year to satisfy all group members. Everyone got something from the book. One quite poignant story was from an older woman (think over age 75) who for years had prepared breakfast eggs for her husband only one way (think scrambled as an example), and had done so with deep resentment as that was not the style she preferred. During the group discussion she revealed she had never even expressed an opinion about not only the eggs, and was encouraged to start there. ‘I think I will make the eggs over-easy this morning’. Response from husband, ‘That will be fine, Dear.’ She was absolutely astounded, and the next discussions were quite enlightening.
So.... Earth is actually a simulation. We are here to evolve and station Earth is somewhat unique in that the game that is played here requires isolation, separation and amnesia..without those 3 components no one would want to play the game. I still don't want to play but play I must. This planet holds the shadow of benevolence and the shadow of malevolence for us to choose. Just theri shadows because if true benevolence were here the game ends and it can not exist in the presence of true malevolence and visa versa. So call it a shadow planet if you will.
While it is a game, it is a game with great responsibility. Disrespecting life is to choose poorly in this game. A game....with consequences....I point that out because so few of our fellow players believe in consequences and have tossed their moral compasses as well.